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I heard it pronounced as if it were "diplomacie" on the radio, and then I checked it in a few places online and they all pronounced it like that as well. Why is the t being pronounced as a c? Is -atie always pronounced like that?

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  • How do you pronounce martian? ;-) Commented Nov 19, 2014 at 21:35
  • So is that to say -tia is always pronounced as -cia? I wouldn't have assumed it was la même chose en français qu'en anglais. Commented Nov 19, 2014 at 22:06
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    Wow, plus 1 for "making me look" (it up)! I really thought you'd spelled it wrong and I was itching for those 2 points for editing (never mind that there would have been no need for the question in that case). I guess I've never seen it written before, except in my own, misspelled way. Regardless, I have always assumed that it was spelled like it is pronounced, with a "c," so thanks again for helping me get a little less ignorant tonight!
    – Papa Poule
    Commented Nov 19, 2014 at 23:05

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Here is the list where the suffix -tie is pronounced /si/. It's not so uncommon.

acrobatie, argutie, aristocratie, autocratie, balbutie, bureaucratie, calvitie, canitie, chiropractie (or -axie), diplomatie, démocratie, facétie, gérontocratie, hématie, idiotie, ineptie, inertie, initie, minutie, médiocratie, méritocratie, orthodontie, phallocratie, physiocratie, ploutocratie, presbytie, primatie, procuratie, prophétie, péripétie, spermatie, suprématie, technocratie, théocratie, transsubstantie, vaillantie.

Just like -tion or -tien, this suffix comes from the latin -tiō and is also pronounced with an /s/.

And here is a list where -tie happens to be pronounced /ti/.

aboutie, abrutie, abêtie, agalactie, alentie, amatie, amnistie, amortie, anaplastie, anéantie, aplatie, appesantie, appointie, apprentie, assortie, assujettie, autoplastie, avertie, bipartie, blottie, bâtie, châtie, compatie, consentie, contrepartie, convertie, cotie, dessertie, divertie, dynastie, débâtie, décatie, déglutie, démentie, dénantie, départie, désassortie, désinvestie, emboutie, empuantie, engloutie, enzootie, eucharistie, extravertie, galvanoplastie, garantie, gynécomastie, hostie, iconoclastie, immodestie, impartie, impéritie, intervertie, introvertie, invertie, investie, kalicytie (?), lotie, marchantie (?), matie, modestie, moitie, nantie, néottie (?), ortie, ostéoplastie, palmipartie, partie, pervertie, plastie, pressentie, pâtie, pédérastie, quadripartie, ralentie, raplatie, rapointie, rassortie, rebâtie, reconvertie, repartie, repentie, ressentie, ressortie, rhinoplastie, roustie, réassortie, réinvestie, répartie, rôtie, sacristie, scotie, sentie, sertie, sortie, stomatoplastie, subvertie, thoracoplastie, travestie, tripartie, uranoplastie, écatie, épiphytie, épizootie, époutie.

Many are simply past participles from -ir verbs. Others kept the original /t/ from the greek.

Answering your last question, notice that amatie, aplatie, décatie, matie, raplatie, écatie, among which aplatie and raplatie are the only common words, end in -atie but are pronounced /ti/.

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  • FR: /di.plɔ.ma.si/
  • EN: /dɪˈpləʊ.mə.si/

-atie is usually — but not always — pronounced /asi/.

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  • Quelques exceptions: aplatie, décatie, voire compatie, châtie et bâtie.
    – jlliagre
    Commented Nov 20, 2014 at 9:30
  • @jlliagre, toutes les exceptions semblent être dérivées de verbes (aplatir, décatir, châtier, bâtir) Quelqu'un connait-il d'autres cas? (En passant, compatir est intransitif, et donc compatie me semble mal formé). Commented Nov 20, 2014 at 10:12
  • @Unfrancophone J'ai mis « voire compatie » car ce participe passé me semble en effet très douteux. Les seules occurrences que j'ai trouvées en dehors de certaines tables de conjugaison sont des « Je compatie » très incorrects.
    – jlliagre
    Commented Nov 20, 2014 at 10:28

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