When shortening phrases in natural language. "I have never been there" or "J'y suis jamais allé".

Would a francophone say "J'ai jamais" or would they say "Je suis jamais" instead?

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    Can you be more specific about your question ?
    – Random
    Commented May 31, 2016 at 21:46
  • @Random Do I use ai or suis? (sorry for ambiguity, Im new and still unfamiliar with customs)
    – AlanSTACK
    Commented May 31, 2016 at 21:59
  • Depending the sentence, you have to use one or the other. So are you only talking about "I have never been there" or do you want to know when to use "j'ai jamais" or "je suis jamais" ?
    – Random
    Commented May 31, 2016 at 22:02
  • @Random Specifically J'y suis jamais alle which would become Je suis jamais. Am I correct? (forgive the lack of accents, I dont have a fancy computer)
    – AlanSTACK
    Commented May 31, 2016 at 22:03
  • @Alan Are you asking about the use of avoir ("ai") and être ("suis") as auxiliary verbs or about whether or not we omit pronouns like y and en when speaking?
    – Kareen
    Commented Jun 1, 2016 at 0:02

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You cannot shorten J'y suis jamais allé, which is already a short version of Je n'y suis jamais allé, to J'ai jamais, Je suis jamais, or J'y suis jamais alone.

If you really want a very short version of it, you might simply say Jamais allé.

If you want to use J'ai jamais, the closest sentence would be J'y ai jamais été, i.e. Je n'y ai jamais été (shortest form: Jamais été) but be aware that using être for aller, despite having been constantly observed in French, can be controversial (see http://www.academie-francaise.fr/questions-de-langue#34_strong-em-tre-pour-aller-em-strong )

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