I've always been taught it's « arriver à quelque chose » so I'm a little confused why in this video at 23 seconds the presenter says the line « comment en sommes-nous arrivés là » not « comment y sommes-nous arrivés là » or just simply « comment sommes-nous arrivés là » without en or y because I would've thought the là was enough to indicate some sort of position. Could someone explain why it's « en » and what the difference between the three options are (or if my suggested ones are just invalid)?
2 Answers
"En" wears many hats but here it seems to be an adverbial pronoun that denotes initial situation or place:
Comment en (= from where we were) sommes-nous arrivés là (= to this current state)?
The sentence: « Comment y sommes-nous arrivés là ? » is incorrect because “y” and “là” are redundant.
« Comment sommes-nous arrivés là ? » is correct but you lose the expression of contrast of the first sentence.
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For the sake of it, would it be correct to say « comment en y sommes-nous arrivés »? Jul 6, 2022 at 9:31
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@Quippy It would rather be Comment y en sommes nous arrivés but the phrase would be very uncommon, to say the least.– jlliagreJul 6, 2022 at 12:57
There is a noticeable difference between
Comment en sommes-nous arrivés là ?
and
Comment sommes-nous arrivés là ?
In the former sentence, là refers to a situation that affect us (a state of affairs, a condition) while in the latter, là might just mean a physical location.