Les philosophes semblent vouloir se rassurer en répétant que les sens nous trompent, comme pour mieux nous cacher que le logos, langage et raison, nous trahit.

First of all, I would like to know if comme pour means as if.

Then, when combined with mieux nous cacher, if the whole fragment (comme pour mieux nous cacher) could be rendered in English as as if we'd better hide.

Finally, assuming I haven't made a single mistake so far, how would the two already discussed fragments (comme pour and mieux nous cacher) make any sense when coupled with the rest of the quotation: que [...] nous trahit?

Somehow, when put together, the three fragments (comme pour, mieux nous cacher, and que [...] nous trahit) seem to lose all cohesion.

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    – indoxica
    Jul 14, 2013 at 11:12
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    I think the underlying question is fine, but the current formulation makes some people queasy. You basically have a "what does this phrase mean, why is it constructed this way" question, but your (very commendable) attempt to explain it yourself covers it up some and makes it look like it'd only be helpful to you, and we try to avoid those kinds of question. But I don't think it's one. You could either edit it to clear that up if you wanted, but I don't think anything is going to be done to it if you leave it as is.
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    Jul 14, 2013 at 14:54
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    Jul 14, 2013 at 14:57

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First, you need to break down the sentence correctly.

…, (comme pour (mieux nous cacher que ((le logos, langage et raison,) nous trahit))).

Le logos, language et raison: langage et raison is in apposition to logos. Semantically, this could be written “le logos (qui est langage et raison)”.

Thus this sentence fragment is a nuance on “comme pour mieux nous cacher que le logos nous trahit”, i.e. (translated litterally) “as if to hide from us the fact that logos betrays us”. The semantic subject of cacher is les philosophes, not nous. The pronoun nous is a complement of the verb cacher: hide from us. If you substitute mankind for nous, the sentence could be written “… comme pour mieux cacher à l'humanité que le logos la trahit”.

Another way to write the sentence with a similar meaning would be “comme s'ils voulaient nous cacher que le logos nous trahit” (where ils = les philosophes).

Comme indicates that what follows appears to be true but is probably not completely correct — either a simile or a misleading appearance.

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    – indoxica
    Jul 14, 2013 at 14:29

Here, the complete fragment you are interested in is comme pour mieux nous cacher que ... , meaning that the object of the verb cacher is not ourselves, but the fact that the logos fools us.

The correct meaning would be

... as if they wanted to hide from us the fact that the logos, speech and reason, fools us.

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