Timeline for "Avoir monté" or "être monté"?
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| Jul 21, 2023 at 20:54 | comment | added | Lambie | Il a monté l'affaire lui-même. "L'affaire, il l'a montée lui-même". To go up the stairs as a direct object is: Il a monté les escaliers au lieu de prendre l'ascenseur. Versus: Il est monté à l'étage par les escaliers. | |
| Jul 21, 2023 at 20:19 | answer | added | Anne Aunyme | timeline score: 0 | |
| Jul 21, 2023 at 7:25 | comment | added | livresque | @PeterShor Related: Limits on the Use of the Indirect Object Pronoun to Indicate Possession . Frank soyons sages, just like the saying goes in English, "France and Québec/Canada are two countries separated by same ocean." | |
| Jul 20, 2023 at 13:10 | comment | added | Frank | @PeterShor And as a native at some distance from his education in French, those cases usually cause me to go verify which agreement I should do :-) | |
| Jul 20, 2023 at 13:08 | comment | added | Peter Shor | @Frank: On second thought, maybe it doesn't avoid the inconsistency completely: Elle s'est lavé les cheveux. | |
| Jul 20, 2023 at 12:59 | comment | added | Frank | @PeterShor Very honored to have you here by the way :-) It's big goufre between QC and French ;-) I took Vazirani's class some years back which went over your algo. | |
| Jul 20, 2023 at 12:56 | comment | added | Frank | @PeterShor Very good observation! | |
| Jul 20, 2023 at 12:51 | comment | added | Peter Shor | @Frank: Yes, that was my point. French manages to avoid this inconsistency by requiring verbs with direct objects to take the auxiliary avoir. | |
| Jul 20, 2023 at 12:49 | comment | added | Frank | @PeterShor I think in general, it's either/or, there is no case of an agreement with both a subject and a direct object - that would be ill-defined anyway, in case they are of different number/gender. But I was never taught a rule to agree with both. | |
| Jul 20, 2023 at 12:39 | comment | added | Peter Shor | Past particles agree with direct objects: la colline qu'il a montée hier. If you had an être verb with a direct object before the verb, would the past participle have to agree with both the subject and the direct object? | |
| Jul 20, 2023 at 10:16 | comment | added | jlliagre | La fourmi est montée sur le poteau. Elle est montée sur la colline. Les saumons on remonté/gravi/franchi les cascades. | |
| Jul 20, 2023 at 10:15 | comment | added | jlliagre | @Frank Être or avoir, that is the question! ;-) | |
| Jul 20, 2023 at 9:48 | comment | added | Frank | @jlliagre Absolutely :-) | |
| Jul 20, 2023 at 9:34 | comment | added | jlliagre | but Il est monté par les escalier jusqu'au centre ville would. | |
| Jul 20, 2023 at 6:40 | comment | added | Frank | Il est monté les escaliers jusqu'au centre-ville. doesn't work. | |
| Jul 20, 2023 at 2:09 | comment | added | jlliagre | french.stackexchange.com/questions/25554/… | |
| Jul 19, 2023 at 23:27 | history | edited | livresque | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 19, 2023 at 23:25 | answer | added | livresque | timeline score: 6 | |
| Jul 19, 2023 at 22:12 | history | asked | user32855 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |